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jury selection continues in the criminal fraud case against the trump organization in manhattan. new york times reporter, -- bromwich said this update from the jury selection this afternoon. a potential juror, quote, mr. trump has no morals. he thinks only of himself. i think he is a criminal. i think he has done irreparable damage to this country. and that's exactly what i think i can be impartial. in this case. >> the trump jury pool gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts now. e 11th hour starts now tonight, two weeks ago.
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millions have already cast their ballots with a showdown and battleground, pa. john fetterman adopter of squaring off in the first and only debate. plus, more pressure from the doj on two of the former presidents ex lawyers. as the january six committee sending signs it is not done. interviewing one of trump's closest confidants today. and kanye west, antisemitic comments costing him big time. meanwhile, hate speech is only getting louder across the country. as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. >> good evening, once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's the final phase of the mid term -- with the election now 14 days away. this was debate night for a key governors races in new york in michigan. the spotlight was on the state of pennsylvania. with a contest date could decide control of the senate. democratic senate candidate,
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john fetterman and republican, dr. mehmet oz faced off for the first and only debates. still showing signs of his recent stroke, which fetterman called the elephant in the room, he tried to paint his opponent as out of touch. >> we need to fight about inflation. right now because it's a tax on working families. and doctor oz can't possibly understand what that is like. he has ten, gigantic mansion's. we must push back against corporate greed. we must make sure we're also pushing back against price gouging as well too. >> i've repeatedly tried to attack fetterman's record. but it was his response to a question about a federal ban on abortion that has gone absolutely viral tonight. >> i want women, doctors local political leaders leading the democracy that allowed our nation to thrive, to put the best ideas forward, so states can decide for themselves. >> here's a kicker. when pressed, ours said he would support donald trump in
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2024 if trump decides to run. as democrats are fighting to defend and expand their majorities in congress, the new york times reports some in the party are bracing for a republican wave in the house. the head of one progressive polling terms -- told the times this, we thought for a little bit that we could defy gravity, but the reality is settling in. maybe not so fast, because the number of people who have voted early by mail or in person has now reached more than 10 million. and that could be a very good sign for democrats. the washington post says meanwhile, donald trump is supposedly already on the hunt to hire a senior staffer for a possible 2024 presidential campaign. the post reports a trump presidential run could be announced shortly after midterms. even as trump supposedly plans a political comeback, a new york times report also said the justice department is focusing on getting more information from his former aide for the
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january 6th investigation. the new york times reports doj is asking a judge to force trump white house lawyers, pat cipollone and pat philbin to provide additional testimony. the times said it's -- in an effort by prosecutors to punch through trump's privilege claims. a source tells nbc news that hope -- one of trump's closest aide is being interviewed by the january six committee today. with that, let's get smart with the help of our lead off panel tonight. nbc news correspondent and moderator of washington week, jacqueline alemany, congressional investigators reporter for the washington post in an msnbc contributor, barry berke he served as counsel to the democrats during the trump impeachment. and his first visit to our 11th hour. -- what are you hearing about it yamiche alcindor? >> what i'm hearing is democrats feel comfortable with the idea is if they were able to get jonathan herman on that
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stage, talking about the issues that they deem are important. but is clear he still has communication issues, even though his campaign has been very clear. he does have covid issues, but -- the doctor says he's fit to serve. the campaign is put out a statement saying they are going to turn that statement about doctor oz, seeing local politicians, along with women doctors should be making choices when it comes to reproductive health into a campaign ad. you already see fetterman's campaign saying this debate was good in some ways, and they're gonna put out an attack ad. it's making a lot of democrats i'm talking to very nervous. because john fetterman is clearly still recovering from a stroke. some people told me they are proud of him for getting on that stage, that is clearly not easy. some people set is gonna make some voters weary about him serving in office. he did seem to struggle on a number of times. >> of course, it's a recovery process. he is still recovering. yamiche, i also want to ask about this political report. it offers some encouraging news for the -- gop. they said some of democrats
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biggest headaches are all in blue states like new york, oregon, connecticut and even rhode island. why is that? >> it's an interesting thing. i think when you look at -- democrats, they're nervous about places they don't think they're gonna be nervous about. the new york governor's race is one of them. zeldin looking like he could be closer and closer to defeating the current governor there. this has to do with a couple. things one, this was the year where there is redistricting. in some places you have districts that word -- who have different populations, including different racial populations. that at times impacts the way people vote. i think also when you think of what is top-of-the-line, for voters, it's inflation, it's, crime -- even for a democrat or republican they often seem to lead toward people trust in the republican of those issues. there's a lot of tense -- and you hear democrats permitting towards the economy. leading towards having that conversation with voters. it is something that's impacting the way that republicans are running. and it's giving them in some
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places an edge. >> 14 days to grow. jackie, what are you hearing on the hill? >> yes, stephanie. right now i think that the democrats are realizing that some of this optimism they might have helped over the summer -- of the overturning of roe v. wade it dissipating as the numbers are partially becoming clearer. and house republicans, in particular, are setting the stage to take back the majority in terms of aligning what is going to be necessary to launch a full frontal of gop investigations into democrats after six, long years in the minority. and for long hears with the former president being attacked by democrats, impeached twice, all of these things very fresh in their memories with the gop
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base. very hungry, as one gop operative put it to, me some scalps here. these ideas of trying to impeach secretary homeland security mayorkas, potentially merrick garland, a bunch of high-profile targets that -- republicans have been whipping up on conservative outlets. republicans, despite potentially the lack of quality among some of their candidates do feel they have the wind at their backs. and a historic advantage in the home stretch. >> barry, let's turn to the justice department january 6th investigation. reportedly, they want to hear more from trump's white house lawyers. what do you make of that? >> i think it's a great sign, it revealed with going on. it's ironic that during election season, the big news is the former presidents attempt to interfere with the election. and what the department is saying is, we're going all in. they are not stopping just
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showing the acts. the now focused on showing his intent. remember, pat cipollone was escorted on trump's anyone. i battled him in the first impeachment when he represented the former president. but he gave testimony already. it's not a surprise the former president wants to block him. he is harmful. he gives testimony to help to show the former president knew he lost the election and tried to interfere with it, which would violate a number of criminal statutes. remember, pat cipollone went before the january six committee. he said he knew the election was lost. he said he took steps and told the president a variety of things. so what we are seeing now is the department of justice using that evidence to build their case. and while there will be a side battle on legal issues the former president is going to lose issue that he keeps losing them in other cases like with john eastman, where the judge found there was a crime fraud and evidence of crimes -- the legal issues are sideshow. i think the, real main event, is the efforts by the doj to go full steam ahead and prove the crimes that have appeared to be committed by the former
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president. >> the doj also said they will need more money to continue this. if republicans take control of congress two weeks from now, what happens to all of these investigations. >> the department will go forward. obviously, money is important. and legislature has the ability to control that to some extent. >> they're gonna roll block him as much to. can >> we have hundred years of an independent department of justice. and i guarantee you, the people who are working, they're if they believe there's a crime that is committed, it appears they, do they're not gonna let budgetary issues prevent. i also believe it'll be very hard for the house or senate controlled by whichever party to say that we are going to cut off the purse strings because we want to prevent a member of our party from being investigated. and you see all these people voting in the election. i'd like to think these investigations are reminder of how sacred our road -- right to voters. it really is the centerpiece of our democracy. the end of the day, stephanie, i would bet you that ultimately democracy and integrity of our -- will prevail over politics. >> it meant to you.
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the house optimist. tonight, yamiche, you've covered donald trump four years. now this story leaking, breaking, trump is looking to hire staffer for a potential run in 2024. do you buy this? or is this a classic trump flex, never look weak. always punch. this is coming on a day when we are -- hope hicks, she's talking to the committee. maybe the doj wants to hear from his lawyers. do you really buy? this he's writing to run? or is he putting on a show? that's all he can do? >> i think both things can be true. he's someone who always wants to put on a show, he's someone who understands the media. he wants to continue to be at the top of people's mind. he's also show someone who seems like he wants to run again for president. he has had the drip drip of information where he's onstage across the country saying, it's a matter of when that if. i've already made up my mind, in some interviews he said -- in some ways, he's been
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signaling for a while. he's very interested in running again. and the people around him have been saying he's interested in running again. whether or not he actually does that, or just wants to sort of create this cloud of everyone talking about him so people like ron desantis or glenn youngkin, or kari lake, or the number of republicans who are eager to take the trump mantle and run in 2024 -- they're eager to understand he sort of is still this chest makers. and they have to bow to him and figure out what he is doing. he likes being the center of detection in that way. i think it's hard to understand whether his -- is actually true. or if he's really assembling a staff. or whether it's someone who's just sort of saying all these things and leaking on purpose just so we can talk about him. as of course, he has these bouncing legal challenges. it's really the hottest news and most irrelevant news about president trump right now. >> jackie, hope hicks. what on earth took so long? why is the january 6th talking to her now? she's not all about him for years and years. couldn't they have been talking to her months ago? >> yeah.
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this committee is extremely deliberate, every step along the way. there's a reason why they kept hope hicks to the very end. and you can't find a person closer to the former president then hope. what some sources have suggested to me is the committee deliberately waited until they had at much information as possible to throw at her during a more formal interview. in order to dot their i's and cross their t's as they wrap up their investigation. as we all, know their final hearing focused in large part on the former presidents frame -- or state of mind. what he was thinking during the months leading up to january 6th and his efforts to overturn the results of the election. obviously, hicks's testimony would've been in extremely crucial and painting that picture and rounding that out. but having her testimony going
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into this final stretch, where they're writing the final report now and will probably be putting on one last -- in order to present this report, they might be able to -- something new and, again, cooperate and tie up any loose ends they might have after this year and a half long investigation. >> barry, given the timeframe and scope of power, which is limited, what should the january six committee be focused on right now? the >> january six committee has done such a wonderful job of using the subpoena power. and the threat of holding people in contempt who don't show up to really lay out the american people -- and the department of justice where the evidence is. hope hicks is a great example of someone close to trump. she was featured in a number of books saying that she thought the election was lost in the senate. and left shortly after january six. so what they're doing now is they are focusing on the most important issue. the former presidents intent. they're doing it for the american people so they can learn more in the report.
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and any further steps they take. they're also doing for the department justice. while they may come to an end, depending on what happens in this election, they may not. they have created a tremendous body of evidence the cannot be ignored. i think both by the american people, but importantly, by the investigators who are clearly following up on what they are doing. >> what happens if the american people ignore her? the american people ignore it, it's a continuum. again, i do believe they believed our democracy. you see them voting in record numbers. it may take the department to take the decision to indict the president -- what i'll tell you, that's a big deal. to indict former president. you know it's a bigger deal? to not indict someone for home this overwhelming evidence, solely because of the position they held. i believe if the department makes a determination that the facts are with the appear to be, and an overwhelming case that the former president tried to interfere with the most decorated -- sacred right we have our country, the right to vote and our peaceful transfer of power, they have a duty and obligation to bring that case. if they don't, then we are really in trouble. >> what barry berke is saying
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is, you can just shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it. barry berke, thank you for joining us. tonight jacqueline alemany, yamiche alcindor. thank you both so much. when we come back, the high stakes race that could determine senate control. more of tonight's one and only debate between pennsylvania senate candidates, john fetterman and mehmet oz. and, later more companies dropping kanye west after his anti-semitic remarks. the recent rise in rhetoric like that and how to stop it. and kanye's deeply hateful history. it did not just start last week. so why is he losing contracts and now? the 11th hour just getting underway on tuesday night. just getting underway on tuesday night. underway on tuesday night. with unitedhealthcare my sister has a whole team
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elephant in the, room i had a stroke. he's never let me forget that. and i might miss some words during this debate, much to earth together, it might knock me down. but i'm gonna keep coming back up. >> pennsylvania is among the most closely watched senate races in the country, tonight democrat john fetterman and republican, mehmet oz faced off in the only debate of the contest. >> we need to fight about. inflation right, now it's tax on working families. and doctor oz can't possibly understand what that is like. he has ten, gigantic mansion. >> the irony is, he didn't pay for his own house. he got for $1 from his sister.
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he had been able to earn a living on his own, he's lived off his parents. he embraces bernie sanders, who he endorsed, the two candidates call themselves the two most progressive people in america. >> you know what? why don't you pretend that you live in vermont instead of pennsylvania? and right against bernie sanders. because all you can do is talk about bernie sanders. >> mr. oz. would you support a trump 2024 rump -- run, and why? >> i'll support whoever the republicans put up. >> donald trump has supported, you he has endorsed you. why won't you fully commit to supporting him in 2024? >> all, i do. i would support donald trump if he decide to run for president. >> do you support a biden run in 2024, why and 60 seconds? >> it's his choice whether he does, if he chooses to, ron i would support him. ultimately, that's his choice. >> joining us now to discuss, john micek, at her and chief at the capitol, star former philadelphia mayor,.
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john, this debates gonna be spoken about a lot in the news in the next 24 hours. but is it going to matter to voters in pa? >> my social media is already blowing up with people meaning this wind, stephanie. the conversations very much alive. these are among some of the most engaged voters. you're correct, as to whether this is going to move the needle in the race, -- depending on the policy look, at it'll either be between five point and two points. i'll be skeptical to see. we had john fetterman, mehmet oz out there this evening. it worked out to be a pretty chippy exchange pretty quickly. you know, i don't know if that tone necessarily is going to appeal to that small segment of pennsylvania voters who might be on the fence here. certainly the partisans for both candidates who came in tonight came away energized by the candidates performance. >> michael, take a listen to this particular moment from the debate. we'll talk about on the other side. >> there should not be
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involvement from the federal government and how states decide their abortion decisions. as a physician, i've been in the room when there's some difficult conversations happening. i don't want the federal government involved with that at all. i want women, doctors, local political leaders -- the democracy that's allowed are -- to put the best decision, forest states can decide himself. >> walk me through with that supposed to look like. you're a young, vulnerable, 16 year old girl dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. and you're supposed to address that with your parents? your doctor? and then what happens? you call the mayor? >> stephanie. that's bullshit. i was calling it for what it is. mr. oz is avoiding the discussion about lindsey graham trying to ban abortion actually. he didn't want to answer the question.
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he avoided it. as best as possible. you know, by the way, as a black american, oftentimes states rights, actually they haven't been good for many of us. so he wants to go back to states rights argument and avoid the question that was asked. which was about lindsey graham. trying to put a national ban on abortion. mr. of the fraud. he's got ten, 11, whatever the number is houses across the united states of america. none of which are actually in pennsylvania. he literally parachuted in to the commonwealth of pennsylvania and is trying to steal a seat in our state. he is a complete fraud. a complete fraud in this race. i think under the circumstances, john fetterman, having had a stroke, actually did very well.
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he took his time, he made his points, obviously, this debate format under the best of circumstances, i've seen a few debates in my time -- that would not agree format for anyone. but certainly not good for someone who literally just suffered a stroke. but donald valiant in his effort to try to respond. and if you really listen to what he actually said, john fetterman actually tried to answer every question that was asked of him. mr. oz was on a campaign rhetoric and actually didn't really say anything that made any difference to the voters of pennsylvania. >> well, given how he performed recovering from a stroke, michael, some republicans are out there tonight saying that fetterman is unfit, he should withdraw. but do they not have a race in
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the state of georgia, someone running for the very position herschel walker who's facing family scandals, lies about his past jobs, and in his last debate, pulled out a prop batch and somehow believes he has some sort of adjunct role with the local police force? >> clearly mister walker is the -- delusional. but that's just a sideshow. when we talk about the pennsylvania -- john fetterman tried his best under difficult circumstances -- mister eyes, as a doctor, i think literally violated the hippocratic oath. he would never had advised any patient of his, i think, i hope, would have never advised any patient of him -- in the aftermath of a stroke to even be on a debate stage. john fetterman was valiant in his efforts. he tried his best to answer the questions that were asked. mr. oz did not.
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and i want to give that credit to john fetterman for trying to do his best under a certain set of circumstances that were not favorable for him, but he gave a valiant effort. i admire what john fetterman try to do tonight. and mr. ours should be ashamed of himself for the things that he said, the position that he is taken. he has no legitimacy in this race. he parachuted into pennsylvania. he's trying to steal a seat. and it's really despicable what he's doing. >> not only did he parachute in, he left god's country, new jersey, who would do that? john micek, michael nutter, think you are joining tonight. when we come back, we're talking kanye west. finally facing new consequences for his antisemitism. but he has a long history of hate. why face consequences now? on the 11th hour --
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i can literally say antisemitic ship and they can drop me. i can say antisemitic things and adidas can't drop me. >> well, i know you can't, i guess. that didn't age well. about a week after kanye west said that other antisemitic
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things, adidas did finally drop him today. hours, later gaps that they are pulling all of the rappers easy merchandise from the store shelves immediately. but as supporters, they're still up. they're over the, weekend and antisemitic hate groups hung a banner supporting his rhetoric over a los angeles freeway. let's discuss. joining us now, former democratic senator from minnesota, my friend al franken, who host a podcast bearing his. name and george and johnson, a new friend of mine activists and author of all boys are blue. which has become one of the most banned books in the united states. gentlemen, i welcome you both. george winds better dress. apple, you already lost the segment. -- george, your take on what is happening with kanye? >> with kanye, not to. kanye >> what took so? long i was around for -- slavery was a choice. and as i gave my speech tonight honoring the ancestors at the
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time 100 next gala, i think about that when i think about what's happening now, right? it's, like what -- took so long for everybody to understand that this person's rhetoric was this dangerous, was this problematic, was this harmful it's not just the people who live in our past, but to all of us who have to exist now. underneath the oppression and the new laws and all of these things that are coming against black people, queer people, trans people. as we watch this these bills rollout, roe v. wade being overturned. this is not something brand-new. and we watch this rhetoric for years. and they allowed it. until it got to being antisemitic. and now all of a sudden everybody's like, now the line has been crossed. >> what do you think about that, al? he makes the point, right? in 2013 kanye put the
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confederate flag on his merchandise. in 2015, he said, racism is a dated concept. in 2020, he said that slavery was a choice. during that time period, what happened to kanye? he got bigger and bigger contracts. and he got richer and richer. what does it say about us as a culture and a society that we were okay with that racism. and we've rightfully so drawn a line today, we've drawn a line now. but what did take so long? >> i don't know. i mean, he's black. >> so you can be racist if you're black? we're down with that? >> and you can't be antisemitic if you're jewish, either. there's been a history of all of, us and i can't believe it's taken this long. i'm jewish. there's a bad history here, as
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is there is a terrible history in this country of slavery. anti-semitic image just on the rise here. the adl takes these instances, the statistics, they've been going, up and, up and up. you saw this thing today. and republicans are not condemning it. they haven't condemned other stuff either. and trump has been leading the way in this from charlottesville. jews will not replace us. good people on both sides. when he started saying stuff about the caravan in 18. soros was paying for the caravan. and you saw the tree of life murders. this is a very dangerous -- i don't have an answer for you.
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>> we shouldn't stand for any hate speech. we shouldn't stand for any racism, any antisemitism. but what does this say to you when you look at this? and you say, hold on a minute, so everybody was okay with racism all this time, buying your yeezy sneakers. getting year gap jacket. but now you draw the line. it's as though -- what does that say about our country? >> yeah. i also want to clarify a few things. you cannot be races as a black person. you can be prejudice as a black person. you can be prejudicing and many system, you can be prejudice against the systems of oppression that are against you. but, like, racism is a system that exists for a certain person, which is a white person. who already has the power to condemn, to oppress, to literally affect your livelihood. so it's like, i understand we were going with this. but it's, like a black person can't be racist. a black person does not have that type of power to will that
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type of thing. now, what can u.s. was doing, though, was he being antisemitic? yes. was he participating in anti-blackness? yes. those are things that we can address. those are things that we are gonna call out. and what i would have liked to have happened was those things should've been called out when he said that, you know, slavery was a choice. when he was -- >> 2013, 2015, 2018. when he became a billionaire. >> when those things were happening and he was still climbing up, using that rhetoric, that was when those things should have been addressed. many of us -- >> many people, like, me allow the children to get easy sneakers. that is an ugly truth. i did not do anything. but what did i do in the last few days? spoke out against antisemitism. so what's that say about all of us? what have we been desensitized to? >> maybe georges point speaks to -- what i just said.
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he's black, and you said he can't be racist cause he's black? i'm just trying to figure sow. i don't know the answer to this. >> we are together. >> that's where i went instinctively. maybe that's in our piece of it when you say, a black person carried racist. maybe there is something in people's mind that somehow -- explains some of this. >> a black person could be prejudiced because of the experience they had throughout their life. right? i grew up as a black person in this country. and so i can be prejudice and have a really disdain, and hatred even, towards white people. because if my experience was that, that my director presser for so many years and for so long, then i can have that. but racism is not just about like, i hate, you it's a system. and anti-blackness is a system.
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it's a system that throughout education, health care, it impresses us all. so -- or, it addresses black people as a whole. >> this is a healthy and constructive conversation. but brittani paton cunningham put something out on twitter that i thought was very profound. where she said, white supremacists love seeing the black and jewish community fight with one another. white supremacists do not like blacks or jewish people. so right now, are they getting their dreams come true? >> well? you see us fighting. >> [laughs] are we fighting? >> no. by the way. i want to say something. i'm one of the only two people here that was on time 100. you too met like an hour ago. >> we met an hour ago. i was worried you are gonna be that impressive as a guest tonight. i said, god, i met a guy,
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tonight great, let's bring george in. [laughs] he doesn't think my joke is funny. >> [laughs] >> it was. funny >> this isn't a funny segment. how do we address this, though? what if this is true? this is what white supremacist point? >> sure they want this. we can't -- we have to frequent fight them. this is scary times. democracy is at stake. we're going in the direction that's very bad. we've seen this in history before. the part in parcel's racism its antisemitism. it's very dangerous. >> you know if i hate? with love. i appreciate you both being here. my new friend my dear friend. thank you, george thank, you our. riddle event there. just ahead, one of the members
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i'm not guaranteeing that it is a false flag operation, yes, i don't know. but it would be a serious, serious mistake. >> the president with a very stern warning for russia. but this, week his strategy and ukraine has been under debates within his own party. and, today the congressional progressive caucus actually retracted a controversial letter that called on biden to directly negotiate with russia. caucus, tear primala jayapal extreme accepted responsibility, call it a staffer ever. -- one of the democrats who signed that letter, and is still backing it. congressman, what in the world happened? here >> let me tell you my position. i have voted for every package to arm ukraine. i will continue to vote to arm ukraine. >> but what happened with this. signed a letter, didn't send a letter? it was a staffer? how did this happen? >> i think that was the. blame i think the letter is common sense. we're going to stand with ukraine, but at the same time we are going to have diplomacy,
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to try to end the war. you know who tweeted out that, just today? ambassador mcfaul! who is one of the strongest advocates for standing with ukraine. you, know people need to look at the history. when we armed the mood judge -- in afghanistan, did president reagan stop talking to the russians? absolutely not! one of the reasons we got the withdrawal of the russians as we continue to negotiate. when we had the height of the cold war, did our senior military stop talking to the russian military? absolutely not! these people on twitter, having spoken to general done for? because i have! have they spoken to admiral mullen? have they spoken to the senior military leaders? they have no idea what they are talking about! i'm on the armed services committee, i don't want to start a nuclear war, and i trust the president's judgments. >> congressman, i'm not arguing any of those points. what i'm asking is, you got two weeks to go before the midterms -- did democrats in need these kind of messy unforced errors right now?
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republicans, love them or hate them, even those who privately despise donald trump, when they need to get in line and fight democrats, they all get in line behind him. do democrats need -- or have the eye on the ball right now? >> well look, the letter that i signed was in july. do i think that it should have been released now? no. but you know who made an issue of it? all those folks on twitter. what they should have done is to have the judgment of people like ambassador mcfaul. who would've said, of course we need to stand with ukraine! is there any person in that letter who is saying, we are going to stop the funding? no! that is kevin mccarthy's position. but are you telling me that the democrat shouldn't be for forced and and diplomacy? we are a party of responsibility. and by the way, i've talked to senior leaders at the white house. i've sent the president has one of the best judgment on this. and my guess, the president himself would agree that we need to have this kind of diplomacy. >> so let's talk about the next two weeks. what democrats need to focus on? it's go time!
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>> the economy! look, we are winning on reproductive rights as a human rights -- you know of made a terrible bat today, that's gonna cost him. we are winning on voting rights. but we got to win the economy! and we got such a simple case to make. we are bringing manufacturing home, we are actually helping the working class. they are running on trussonomics! they are literally running on what bankrupted the british. they are saying that they want tax cuts. they are saying that they want to cut social security. how are we not winning the economic argument? when they are running on exactly what britain did. >> you make the best point. how are we not winning on the economic argument? >> you are the ones who have taken us from the debts of the pandemic, then what it is about messaging and strategy that republicans seem to win on? when they are not even offering anything! >> you know bluntly, stuff, it's a consulted class. >> what does that mean? >> i'll tell you what: they look at the polling, they say democrats are up on reproductive rights, up on voting rights. talk about that. i don't talk about the economy, that may be a tough issue for
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us. give me a break! i mean look, i'm for qualifying roe v. wade as our first vote. second, both let's have voting rights. but why not, the third, fourth, fifth, sixth vote, let's do the economy! we need to talk about it! we need to make the choice! one of the things that's a problem in the same thing with the russia, we have no sense of nuance anymore. in our politics. no sense -- just a sense of, either one thing and you have to stick to that, we can talk about abortion, voting rights, and the economy. and we need to speak with our hearts. as opposed to poll testing and messages. >> all right that! congressman, thank you so much for joining me tonight. really good to say! you >> thank, you i appreciate! it >> congressman ro khanna. when we come back, so much kindness from one of college basketball's fiercest competitors, to a hardworking kentucky dad. when the 11th hour continues. you want to stay up for this! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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the last thing before we go tonight, a little bit of kentucky kindness! college basketball is a huge deal! especially in places like kentucky. so maybe it's not surprising that a picture of a father, quickly went viral, this, week after he showed up because with his son, at the university of kentucky the preseason game. in his uniform, and covered and set, straight from the coal mine! that father's dedication to the wildcat, and through his boy, touched the hearts of people across the country. it also got the attention of
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some very important people on the sidelines. my friend and colleague, thomas, has this really sweet story! >> for cole meyer minor, michael maguire, the wildcats basketball cheering, it's a family tradition! >> as a little boy, growing up watching the football or the basket with my dad. i never missed a game. i watched it on tv. >> so in the wildcat basketball team announced a blue and white scrimmage match, and then maguire east kentucky town, wife molly was first in line to buy tickets. >> i hopped on and grab some tickets. because i know it was important to him and his dad. and i thought it would be a great experience for him to share with our son. >> working in a coal mine as a roof bolt, or michael often works long weekend shifts. >> i thought about a year ago. and it kind of blew my mind. it's literally just like a big giant cave. >> the day of the, game meyer michael went straight from the mind, to the game. still covered! head to coal head to toe and coldest! but that okay to have his moment with his three-year-old son easton.
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>> pretty much anybody that loved -- was his family. >> another kentucky fan snapped his photo at east and michael at the game. this image, going viral, and recognizing deeply with someone else on the court. >> he wanted to be there so bad that he was willing to leave without showering, without changing, just get into the car and get go! because he got out of the mind late. and i appreciate it because, it's how what my family got to start in this country. >> had kentucky basketball coach, john calipari, is the grandson of a coal miner. >> i had no clue who it was, and i answered, when my phone rang, and said hey it's coach cal. and i was like just sitting there. i'm like -- it was a complete shock! >> coach cal had inviting the whole family to any uk home game this season. adding on sweater, the family will be treated like the ip's. >> you are bringing light to a good man, a hardworking
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kentucky, a coal miner, who does everything he can to make time for his family and his son. and his daughter. >> from one coal mining family to another. it's a chance to carry on a tradition! >> special thanks to my dear friend tom yarmulkes for sharing that story! and i really hope my friend rex chapman is watching tonight. that's the best of kentucky right there. and as we like to say here, at the 11th hour, in a world where you can be anything. be kind! it certainly pays off! and on that note, i wish you all a very good night! from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, i want to thank you for staying up late with us! and i will see you at the end of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ t the en of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're just two weeks away from the midterm elections, in the battle for control of congress in the state houses could

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